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Hallo,

ich bin im offiziellen EA-Hilfeforum auf den heutigen Beitrag eines Schreibers gestoßen, den ich nun zitiere:

One of the biggest problems people are having with the game is the massive traffic-jams that seem to clog the entire system up. Now, this is responsible for the ineffective coverage of ANY traffic-based services (Fire, Police, Garbage, Medical, Education, Mass-Transit.) There are also a number of smaller complaints that may also be directly related to how Glassbox handles traffic.

"Workers aren't commuting."

"There aren't enough workers, even though I have plenty of population."

"Tourism is broken."

"Emergency services are slow/unresponsive/broken."

The agent system that is used for utilities (power, water, sewage) seems to be identical to the system that handles traffic.

The problem is that, just as power can sometimes take a ridiculously long time to fill the entire map (because the "power agents" just randomly move about with no sense) traffic and workers can do the same thing. Workers leave their homes as "people agents." These agents go to the nearest open job, not caring at all where they worked yesterday. They fill the job, and the next worker goes to the next building and fills that job, and so it goes until all the jobs are "filled." So, when you have all your "worker" sims leaving their houses for work in the morning, they all cluster together like some kind of "tourist pack" until they have all been sucked into "jobs." They don't seem to care if the job is Commercial or Industrial, only that it's a job.

"Scholars" are handled exactly the same way. As are school busses and mass-transit agents. This is why you see the "trains" of busses roaming through your city, and why entire sections of town may never see a school bus, despite having plenty of stops... Once all the busses are full, they return to school and stay there until school is done for the day.

Now, here is where it gets really good... In the evening, when work and school lets out, they all leave and proceed to the absolute closest "open" house. They don't "own" their houses. The "people" you see are actually just mindless agents (much like the utilities agents, as I said earlier) making the whole idea of "being able to follow a 'Sim' through their entire day" utterly POINTLESS!!"

The reason traffic problems cause so many other side-effects, is because EVERYTHING relies on those "people" who are stuck in herds trying to go to whatever closest "slot" they can fill. Casinos go bust because "tourists" are just "shopper agents" from out of town. You MUST put casinos RIGHT next to the entrance to your city if you want them to succeed. Placing street-car stops by the casinos can actually cause more harm than good! Why? Because the "shoppers" will board the streetcar stop (because it's the closest open slot) and be shuttled to a shopping district instead.

Sharing resources and services gets to be a joke, because all the vehicles ("agents") get bound up with the busses at the entrances to cities.

TL;DR: Fixing the way the game handles traffic and "sims" will fix 90% of the problems plaguing players!

*edit (03-12-2013 @ 17:12 GMT)* Changed title to better attract attention to the issue.

Ultimately, the problem is that the developers have decided to handle sims like they handle any "mindless" power-agent. This results in mindless sims, and mindless services. Mindless services reduce the actual quality of the simulation. Since no sim actually owns a house, they don't REALLY care what ammenities are built around it. THIS is why it is nearly impossible to have distinct districts of each wealth level... A low-wealth agent may very well end up in a high-wealth house at the end of the day. Why? Because it was the closest open house. The next morning, that agent sets out to find "high-wealth" work. Then after work, may end up in a medium-wealth home with 2 kids! There's no rhyme or reason for the way they behave, OTHER than just taking the shortest (not quickest) path to the nearest open space.

Police services suffer from this as well. They converge on the first crime committed, and ignore the second crime until one car rushes off to deposit the criminal-agent in jail. THEN the other cars can respond to the second crime. There's no zones, and there's no actual "prevention."

Fire services also send every unit to the first available fire. It's utterly pointless to try and "decentralize," because every truck from the city will still converge on one fire, ignoring the other three until it's out. Once the first fire is out, they all rush to the next fire. The only thing you get for having multiple fire-trucks is that they put the fires out slightly quicker. Really, you can have the exact same fire coverage quality with only one of each type of fire-unit. "Fire Marshalls" are COMPLETELY random, and just seem to roam around picking whichever building is "most at risk," ignoring the fact that an entire neighborhood is high risk, and the next "most at risk" is on the other side of the city... Which gets them stuck in traffic.

Interestingly enough, ambulances seem to act independantly of one another, but they still refuse to take "right of way" and are constantly bogged in traffic. Medical vans just act like all the rest of the service vehicles.

Quelle: EA-Forum

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Diese Präsentation stellt die GlassBox-Architektur vor: Link

Die Informationen lassen sich auf die Funktionsweisen von SimCity übertragen.

Ich denke, dass die Informationen daher stammen, um das ganze System verstehen zu können!

Das ist halt die Frage, ob sich an diesem Verhalten irgendetwas ändern lässt. Denn wenn: wieso hat das Programmierteam das nicht schon längst getan? Das fällt doch einem Blinden auf!

Wie ist das denn dann bei SimCity 4 und früher geregelt gewesen?

"With the traffic problems, decentralizing won't really help much. The only thing you will do is cost yourself more money. It's cheaper to have three small fire-houses than to have a large station with two extra garages, yes, but the trucks will respond the same regardless. With Police, you don't even need the "prcinct" because you can just add more cars to the small station. Just be sure to add the extra jail cells. For medical, you have to have a hospital once you reach a certain population. It can be anywhere though (as long as it's in an area prepared for high traffic) as long as you only have one.

Education is the most important thing to attract sims above low-wealth. If you have no education (or at least a bus terminal for them to commute to school) then you will simply never attract higher-profit businesses and sims. So, as long as you build it up slowly, and place it as close to your residential areas as possible (reducing the need for busses,) it will not drain your economy. Grade school first; and slowly upgrade it as demand increases. Then build a community college, not a high-school. The college relies on mass transit and pedestrians, so it doesn't clog the streets with even more busses.

Everything else you said is a good idea... Ultimately, though, the basic "simulation" under everything is still broken. It's this broken simulation that makes it possible to have one small police station manage the crime for a city better than the larger precinct building can (same effective coverage, for MUCH lower cost.) It's this broken simulation that makes fire services pointless. As long as you have 2 trucks, you'll have the same effective coverage as a fully upgraded fire-station. The extra police and fire trucks just queue up behind the one or two who are actually working, so they accomplish nothing anyway."

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